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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:09 pm
by Rhoel
Quick comment on ddojinshi, I checked wikipedia's notes on the subject - it includes this line...
Wikipedia wrote: " Dōjinshi creators who based their materials on other creators' works normally publish in small numbers to maintain a low profile from litigation."
Two points here. On is based, the other is to maintain a low profile from litigation..

To create a full anime episode on existing manga would no longer be "based", it would be a copyright infringement. I am familiar with a project which is making stripe cartoons of famous films for mobile distribution - the authors have had to obtain licenses from the original film houses to be able to do this.

The "avoiding litigation" is also interesting, since its clear the guys at Comiket do risk such hazards.

Vern's suggestion of creating an original is a fair observation - you have the talent to draw the boards and put together something, why not develop something original which is yours, which might create something good for both yourself and others. It is what Hitoshi Ashinano did when he created Yokohama Kaidashi Kikō originally.

I write original films for a living - some get taken up, others get passed. Whilst getting accepted on something is great, the best part is the creative buzz about inventing new worlds and populating them. It's always an amazing discovery process, one where you are shocked or surprised by what your characters say or do. You never really know until you put them into a particular situation, the characters then 'take over'. Some stories are for kids, others for adults. All of them have turned out to be creatively rewarding. Some turned out to be workable and got optioned. One script series even got made.

Just a thought, not criticism.

Rhoel

edit:

Ewans previous reply was posted whilst I was writing this.

The fact he is pursuing the permissions thing is good to hear - he may be lucky in that he may very well get permissions to make, just because he asked. It certainly will resolve any 'down the road' issues, and prevent two people making the same episode.

Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:43 pm
by EwanG
Rhoel wrote:Vern's suggestion of creating an original is a fair observation - you have the talent to draw the boards and put together something, why not develop something original which is yours, which might create something good for both yourself and others.
Well, it's funny you would mention that. I've been wanting, for some time, to take a script I had for a visual novel called "Camp Handiba" and turn it into an animation since I found that as a visual novel it was too complex and was likely to be way too long. Setting is a summer camp for high-school aged kids who are handicapped (my middle daughter is multiply handicapped, so you can guess the inspiration), but where something "magical" happens each summer.

The problem is that it has 14 characters, and would probably take a full 13 episodes to tell the whole story. The idea of coming on here (or anyplace like it) and saying "Hey, I have this idea and I have the script and it's really, really long - could you help me" seemed a bit more farfetched than getting help for YKK :D

So, we'll see. If I get an "up thumb" from the folks who can make a determination, then I'll probably proceed with the YKK option. If not, then I suppose I can work on Camp Handiba. However I'm thinking that volunteers for that are going to be a little harder to find...

Thanks again,
Ewan

Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:00 pm
by Rhoel
EwanG wrote:
Rhoel wrote:Vern's suggestion of creating an original is a fair observation - you have the talent to draw the boards and put together something, why not develop something original which is yours, which might create something good for both yourself and others.
Well, it's funny you would mention that. I've been wanting, for some time, to take a script I had for a visual novel called "Camp Handiba" and turn it into an animation since I found that as a visual novel it was too complex and was likely to be way too long. Setting is a summer camp for high-school aged kids who are handicapped (my middle daughter is multiply handicapped, so you can guess the inspiration), but where something "magical" happens each summer.

The problem is that it has 14 characters, and would probably take a full 13 episodes to tell the whole story. The idea of coming on here (or anyplace like it) and saying "Hey, I have this idea and I have the script and it's really, really long - could you help me" seemed a bit more farfetched than getting help for YKK :D

So, we'll see. If I get an "up thumb" from the folks who can make a determination, then I'll probably proceed with the YKK option. If not, then I suppose I can work on Camp Handiba. However I'm thinking that volunteers for that are going to be a little harder to find...

Thanks again,
Ewan
Actually, I like the premise of the handicapped story - its original and the 13 eps is ideal for TV as that is their buying package. There are plenty of NGO-type organizations out there who might even provide seed funding to get a pilot made.

In fact, this idea has a better chance of getting made than YKK, simply because it has a market. The fact its long is not an issue. The trick of serializing a story is to find the right break points, that "OMG, don't stop now moments" - the thing that makes all soaps work. Providing the story is not 'lecturing' about handicap, more of the ugly duckling thing (where something positive comes out of the 'defect') then you have a good story.

Go for it.

Rhoel

Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:18 am
by mars714
... even though people seem to not want to do this, i could, ... if you don't mind it looking, well... not so, uh, i'm a newbie too, but, i have experience with art and other animation stuff. if you extend the deadline a bit, and send me everything i'll try. you'll have to give me more details about Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou manga, as i've never herd of it. but i can try for you as soon as someone can help me with my problem.

Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:21 pm
by EwanG
Mars,
Appreciate the offer, but at this point I don't need the help any longer. I do hope you get help with your problem.

Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:35 pm
by mars714
kay.

Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:58 pm
by EwanG
FWIW, here's what I've managed to do so far. It isn't animated per se (hence the reason I didn't put this in the Show Your Work thread), but it gives folks an idea of where I hope to go with this.

Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 12:27 am
by jahnocli
Quite accomplished drawing and composition. Good luck with it.