I have a web site hosted by Yahoo. I have their site builder. I want more, a kinda cake and eat it too scenario.
Can I have such a thing, using the web site I presently have???
An easy web design program for present and future use?
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An easy web design program for present and future use?
You'll know when you get there! My Dad
Hi ingie. I learned the old fashioned way - coding with notepad- but I use to use HomeSite to help with tables and stuff as it saved time. You may want to check out the free NVU editor http://www.nvu.com/index.php I've tried it and it does a pretty good job and is actively in development. It does produce style sheets and pretty good code.
I have Yahoo webhosting as well and make my own pages and upload with the free version of Smart FTP.
I have Yahoo webhosting as well and make my own pages and upload with the free version of Smart FTP.
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Ingie01: I couldn't agree with you more!
I'm an accomplished web designer, and there is no cleaner or more efficient way to create designs.
There's no such thing as a web design program. Generally, web designers will layout\slice their site in a image editor such as Fireworks or Photoshop, and then use the images in a CSS (NO TABLES, ingie01!!) layout.
If you just want a basic WYSIWYG editor - you're not interested in actual web design - go with Frontpage or Dreamweaver, or get the free beta of Microsoft Expression Web Designer (actually not as bad as I thought it would be - nice css handling).
However, if you want to learn web design, do not try to take any easy route. Learn Fireworks 8, and HTML, and CSS. You will only need Fireworks, no software for actual coding!
I'm an accomplished web designer, and there is no cleaner or more efficient way to create designs.
There's no such thing as a web design program. Generally, web designers will layout\slice their site in a image editor such as Fireworks or Photoshop, and then use the images in a CSS (NO TABLES, ingie01!!) layout.
If you just want a basic WYSIWYG editor - you're not interested in actual web design - go with Frontpage or Dreamweaver, or get the free beta of Microsoft Expression Web Designer (actually not as bad as I thought it would be - nice css handling).
However, if you want to learn web design, do not try to take any easy route. Learn Fireworks 8, and HTML, and CSS. You will only need Fireworks, no software for actual coding!
You can PM me for any general html or basic css questions - might take a while to get back to you depending on if I get it after school and work- but glad to answer. I don't use NVU regularly but have tried it so any questions would mean I'd have to be home to fire it up and see.
I am using websitebaker for my site management tool, if you have Yahoo Webhosting with PHP etc then maybe something you can look at at some point. Not needed for small sites of 10-25 pages, or if you have mainly static content -that won't change much- but if you have lots of pages and are going to be writing content daily or at least frequently you might consider it as well. The benefit is you create a template then have a web interface were you can type articles online in a Word like box; again, only worth the hassle of setting up and learning for an active content site in my experience.
The short answer to your question though is yes.
I am using websitebaker for my site management tool, if you have Yahoo Webhosting with PHP etc then maybe something you can look at at some point. Not needed for small sites of 10-25 pages, or if you have mainly static content -that won't change much- but if you have lots of pages and are going to be writing content daily or at least frequently you might consider it as well. The benefit is you create a template then have a web interface were you can type articles online in a Word like box; again, only worth the hassle of setting up and learning for an active content site in my experience.
The short answer to your question though is yes.
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AAAHHHHHHGGGGG!
Front Page???
AAAHHHHHHGGGG!
Good luck. In my opinion you would be better off writing code "by hand" with a text editor than using Front page.
That program is awful. It produces code that is most likely only going to work "perfectly" in IE. It uses a lot of proprietary MS IE stuff.
Front Page 2003 is... 3 years old! Doesn't seem like a lot of time... but it is.
Recently I have been doing my design and layout using only CSS. What this means is that the actual content in the HTML is very very very sparse and simple. ABSOLUTELY NO TABLES for layout. This is the standards from the W3C. Don't use tables to layout the content. Use CSS.
Using CSS to "design" the "structure" gets rid of all those table tags. It makes the pages so small and simple in structure it is easy to use a simple text editor to make changes or create new pages. The pages also load so much faster.
Basically the content is just simple DIV and P tags. You would use CSS to make all those elements... layout on the page right where you want them.
There are dozens of freely available CSS layout templates in all kinds of different collumn formats.
Many years ago in the beginning of the "web"... if this type of HTML creation was around... it would have really lowered the learning curve. It is really a nice way to do it and in many ways a lot easier than the "old way".
-Vern
Front Page???
AAAHHHHHHGGGG!
Good luck. In my opinion you would be better off writing code "by hand" with a text editor than using Front page.
That program is awful. It produces code that is most likely only going to work "perfectly" in IE. It uses a lot of proprietary MS IE stuff.
Front Page 2003 is... 3 years old! Doesn't seem like a lot of time... but it is.
Recently I have been doing my design and layout using only CSS. What this means is that the actual content in the HTML is very very very sparse and simple. ABSOLUTELY NO TABLES for layout. This is the standards from the W3C. Don't use tables to layout the content. Use CSS.
Using CSS to "design" the "structure" gets rid of all those table tags. It makes the pages so small and simple in structure it is easy to use a simple text editor to make changes or create new pages. The pages also load so much faster.
Basically the content is just simple DIV and P tags. You would use CSS to make all those elements... layout on the page right where you want them.
There are dozens of freely available CSS layout templates in all kinds of different collumn formats.
Many years ago in the beginning of the "web"... if this type of HTML creation was around... it would have really lowered the learning curve. It is really a nice way to do it and in many ways a lot easier than the "old way".
-Vern
Heyvern,
Thanks for the input. I was disappointed with the huge learning curve that I encountered with FrontPage2003. Is Cascading Style Sheets in other web site creating apps? Basically what I want is a drag and drop for a basic 4 page web site. Graphics intensive is the name of the game.
I have an account withYahoo.
http://www.keithingersoll.com
Thanks for the input. I was disappointed with the huge learning curve that I encountered with FrontPage2003. Is Cascading Style Sheets in other web site creating apps? Basically what I want is a drag and drop for a basic 4 page web site. Graphics intensive is the name of the game.
I have an account withYahoo.
http://www.keithingersoll.com
You'll know when you get there! My Dad
CSS is pretty much the standard now for HTML. In fact your aren't even suppose to use the <font> tag any more... so much easier to globally assign those settings anyway.
If you do a search on the web you may find that there are some pretty okay web editors that support CSS pretty cheap or even free.
If you want to spend money get Dreamweaver or Golive (both Adobe now... have no idea which one will "live on").
They are pricy though for only casual use.
WYSIWYG is not so important in these programs. You really should be previewing in a browser to be sure.
Lately I don't even bother with WYSIWYG and just write the code.
CSS is pretty simple in its structure. If you look at some samples and read about how to create it... it is really quite easy... making it do really cool complex stuff is the tricky part though.
I am currently "redoing" a lot of my really old sites to use CSS. This is a double edge sword for me...
Easy to maintain... and... uh... easy to maintain... it means my clients will be able to do more updates on their own.
-Vern
If you do a search on the web you may find that there are some pretty okay web editors that support CSS pretty cheap or even free.
If you want to spend money get Dreamweaver or Golive (both Adobe now... have no idea which one will "live on").
They are pricy though for only casual use.
WYSIWYG is not so important in these programs. You really should be previewing in a browser to be sure.
Lately I don't even bother with WYSIWYG and just write the code.
CSS is pretty simple in its structure. If you look at some samples and read about how to create it... it is really quite easy... making it do really cool complex stuff is the tricky part though.
I am currently "redoing" a lot of my really old sites to use CSS. This is a double edge sword for me...
Easy to maintain... and... uh... easy to maintain... it means my clients will be able to do more updates on their own.
-Vern
Soooo, now I am back to yahoo site builder. this really seems to be what I need for present. I want to devote time to creating art work like painting drawing animation. NOT web page design. Perhaps later?
http://www.keithingersoll.com
http://www.keithingersoll.com
You'll know when you get there! My Dad
Yahoo has the Gallery2 script set up for easy installation. I start school on Monday but can squeeze and hour out tomorrow or Saturday if you want me to set it up for you. It will take a little work to make a matching html page for text content or frame it. Not sure if you want. I also may be able to instead install the websitebaker thing for you. It isn't too hard to use so if you like it we can agree on a time and we'll talk via messenger and I can set it up with one of the existing templates. I can show you the basics pretty easy and if you stick to the basics you should be able to edit the pages easily. If there was a problem the very worse that could happen I could delete it and you could start with sitebuilder again. Let me know soo if you want as once school starts I'll be MIA for about 12 weeks.
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Ingie I installed the Websitebaker CMS and a few dummy pages.
http://keithingersoll.com/
The PM I sent you seems to still be sitting in the outbox so I guess those only go out every few hours? Anyway tell me what you think. I'll try to explain the basic tomorrow as I'm gearing up for school and will be around a lot less starting Monday.
Hope you like it.
By the way you have some very nice work on your fotik gallery (Gallery 2 link). You 'might' be able to frame that gallery but would have to fiddle with the template for it as it seems to be fixed width -so it looked ugly in the frames. Not sure if I'll have time unless it turns out to be a simple switch in the style sheet.
http://keithingersoll.com/
The PM I sent you seems to still be sitting in the outbox so I guess those only go out every few hours? Anyway tell me what you think. I'll try to explain the basic tomorrow as I'm gearing up for school and will be around a lot less starting Monday.
Hope you like it.
By the way you have some very nice work on your fotik gallery (Gallery 2 link). You 'might' be able to frame that gallery but would have to fiddle with the template for it as it seems to be fixed width -so it looked ugly in the frames. Not sure if I'll have time unless it turns out to be a simple switch in the style sheet.
[url=http://burtabreu.animationblogspot.com:2gityfdw]My AnimationBlogSpot[/url:2gityfdw]
I use Dreamweaver MX2004 - love it. Excellent for templates and it looks after the css code automatically. It also allows tyou to flick between desing/desigh + code/code windows.
I also use javascript alot, mainly for generaing nemus and random displayed images ... makes the page look different everytime you load it.
Templates are good for big sites as it maintains a site-wide "house style".
Javascript menus/image calls are brilliant - the code is kept off the page - if you change the options or images the script called, you do it once in the script and it changes across the entire site> Save so manyhouses of work.
Rhoel
I also use javascript alot, mainly for generaing nemus and random displayed images ... makes the page look different everytime you load it.
Templates are good for big sites as it maintains a site-wide "house style".
Javascript menus/image calls are brilliant - the code is kept off the page - if you change the options or images the script called, you do it once in the script and it changes across the entire site> Save so manyhouses of work.
Rhoel