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A way to have alpha on imported movie file?

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 9:38 pm
by jhbmw007
Am I correct to assume there's no way to have quicktime file with alpha channel import into AS with the alpha channel in tact? I think I tried once, and it didn't work. It'd be really cool if this was possible though...

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:54 pm
by slowtiger
It would be cool, but it does not work now.

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 12:25 am
by Víctor Paredes
are you referring to import a quicktime movie with alpha?
if so, actually you can do this.

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 1:53 am
by Ronbo
I just successfully exported a QT movie from Toon Boom Studio and imported into ASP with the alpha channel intact. I selected PNG compression type set at "millions of colors +." That "+," of course, is important in order to retain the alpha channel.

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 10:44 am
by slowtiger
Aha - this is different from what I experienced. So it looks like it is a question of choosing the right codec again.

I'll test and report later.

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:34 am
by slowtiger
OK, testing done. Transparency in video files works.

You only have to choose a codec which allows you to set the colour depth to "millions+", the "+" indicates the alpha channel. (Of course I assume your source material has an alpha channel!) On Mac, I tested with PNG and Animation codec, both work. A codec like MPG-4 doesn't work, it even doesn't give me the choice of colour depth.

Here's a quick example, the animation was done in Mirage, nothing special. A loop of 8 frames, layers multiplied and tweaked.
http://www.slowtiger.de/examples/trams.mov (550 k)

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 1:54 pm
by jhbmw007
Aha! I got it to work too. I'm using Sony Vegas and there's no selection for millions of colors +, but using PNG with the highest color setting worked. This is perfect since I will have to chroma key my source movie file in Vegas anyways.

Think about it- you could green screen yourself talking and then rig your head to a cartoon body! Why you would want to do that, I don't know.... :lol:

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:55 pm
by slowtiger
An animator in Berlin did just that - recorded several people's heads on video, extracted the heads, and put them, grimaces and all, on top of AS characters.

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 4:26 pm
by Víctor Paredes
you could make an entire body with video head, arms and legs. it would be interesting.

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:43 am
by rplate
EDIT

I removed the original post and reposted below with a more interesting movie.
http://homepage.mac.com/rplate/iMovieTheater27.html

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:24 pm
by jhbmw007
I'm currently working on my own project using a filmed "head" on a photo cut-out body:
Image

That head is an imported movie of the actor's green screen footage- it works like a charm. Try to get your actor to wear a green turtle neck- mine didn't and it was a bit troublesome with his neck showing in the video. I took pictures of my hands in various positions and set them up in switch layers (well you only need one hand, then just flip it in AS to create the other). The backgrounds will all be created using photo elements. There's a great music soundtrack that he'll be singing to also.

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 3:44 am
by jhbmw007
selgin wrote:you could make an entire body with video head, arms and legs. it would be interesting.
That would be interesting- although extremely complicated to get the timing right. How about make a character with a man's head, woman's body, a white female right arm, a black male left arm, and horse legs? :lol:

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:39 am
by slowtiger
If you have the right story for that, go ahead! I recommend "Are you real, Mr Joe?" by Stanislaw Lem.

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:02 am
by rplate
jhbmw007 wrote:
selgin wrote:you could make an entire body with video head, arms and legs. it would be interesting.
That would be interesting- although extremely complicated to get the timing right. How about make a character with a man's head, woman's body, a white female right arm, a black male left arm, and horse legs? :lol:
Two for the price of one...
1 3D obj file
1 alpha movie


http://homepage.mac.com/rplate/iMovieTheater27.html

Here we have a movie of a car beside a 2nd car that is a 3D wavefront.obj .
Both are imported into Anime Studio and keyframed as an animation.
Notice the 3D attributes of the Cars.
The car returning is the 3D .obj The other is a movie.

Just having fun again.