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Rasheed · Post by **Rasheed** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:18 am

But it is the truth. I've heard more stories like this. It really depends what Apple Store you do business with, it seems, and the cult of Apple is a semi-religious sect. You're either in or you're out. There's no room for skepticism towards Apple.

Of course, some of the fanboys (and -girls) on the boards are even worse. And Steve? He couldn't even care less. At least, Steve Jobs, not Steve Wozniak, because "Woz" acts more like a human being.

Blade_Rain · Post by **Blade_Rain** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:36 pm

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mkelley · Post by **mkelley** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:21 pm

heyvern wrote:[I don't like how Apple stores are managed either... I applied there and they told me, to my face, after a group interview with 12 other people at the same time... that all the employees hated me, no one would want to work with me... I talked too much... and I hated Apple

I couldn't sleep for days... I felt so depressed after hearing that, that I began to think that people who like me were just pretending. I like Apple products but I hate Apple people.

What a very weird (and sad) experience.

I assume you were young -- because I know I might have felt that way myself when I was younger but after some time in the marketplace I'd just think everyone there was crazy. That's kind of the height of unprofessionalism, to tell an applicant such negative things. Not only that, but in today's litigious society I suspect you'd have good grounds for a lawsuit (unlawful hiring practices of some sort).

Anyway, I'm sure you know now that it isn't true that people are just pretending to like you -- I like you and my wife would tell you I don't pretend about anything (much to her dismay sometimes :>)

heyvern · Post by **heyvern** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 12:55 am

I assume you were young

I'm 44 years old. This incident occurred this past November. I've used Apple products since the Apple IIe. Nearly my entire professional career has involved total and blind dedication to the Mac platform. Up until the day this weird bizarre twilight zone episode happened I was so devoted to Apple I would have taken a bullet for it if we were under fire (Okay, maybe not take one but just push Apple out of the way of the bullet).

I no longer blindly support Apple. I just use my computer and that's it. I've found the cure for the Apple kool-aide... apply to an Apple store and act enthusiastic about the company. Apparently doing that is a big turn off. Talking too much is also VERY BAD in a retail environment where people are looking for answers. You do not want to go on and on explaining things when people ask you a question about a product. That just scares people off from making a purchase.

I got over that incident eventually... if I had been young when that happened it probably would have KILLED ME (I have had issues with self esteem).

The people who know me say that obviously the Apple store employees were so dazzled and threatened by my overwhelming and powerful personality and incredible intelligence that there was no way they could hire me.

-vern

mkelley · Post by **mkelley** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 2:57 am

Sorry, about that Vern. I do not minimize self-esteem issues (I was a former crisis and family counselor and well understand the damage they cause). And it's easy for someone else to be glib and say "well, don't even worry about what they said/think" but that doesn't help much.

But was does help is to understand clearly (and I think some folks have done that here) those Apple people were *way* out of line. I don't care if you acted like Dwight Shute, you should not have been treated that way. It wasn't you, it was them, and that behavior on their part borders on crazy (and, like I said, probably illegality, although it's much better to just let this stuff go).

At least you got an interesting story out of it <bg>.

heyvern · Post by **heyvern** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:48 am

It was by far the most bizarre thing that ever happened to me. I really felt like I was in the twilight zone. This woman on the phone was saying these absolutely horrible personal hurtful things as if she were talking about the weather. Very matter of fact... with a happy light hearted tone in her voice. I thought I fell through the rabbit hole. It literally took my breath away.

I was utterly speechless.

I have, to some degree... gotten over it, but I've never been talked to that way in a professional situation by total strangers. I've been reprimanded by bosses and coworkers but I always knew I deserved it and took responsibility for it. When I screw up I know it and take the heat.

The sad part is that I was so thrilled and excited to be there, with the possibility to work for what I felt at the time was the coolest most fantastic company I've ever known. I LOVED APPLE. I have been defending and fighting for them since my very first Mac. I was an absolute whole hearted completely devoted die hard APPLE FANATIC.

Not anymore. Apple is just another company... like Smith Micro, Dell, Walmart, Sears. They make stuff I use, end of story.

-vern

Rasheed · Post by **Rasheed** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 10:30 am

I think in this world of consumption the most important thing we can learn children is how to be skeptical (in a positive manner), how to think things through. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening in our Western educational system, because skepticism also applies on world view, and, thus, religion. Governments don't want to be messing with religion, because of historical reasons. Sadly, it also allows pseudo-science to enter our schools, like creationism.

There is much to be said for the critical consumer, but it may also imply further secularization of our society, and not everyone wants that. A perfect stalemate, and the reason not to include critical thinking in the curriculum.

Unfortunately, it means you have to reach a certain age to be able to figure it all out for yourself. I'd rather see it being taught as early as 12 years of age. It would prevent a lot of broken dreams, like realizing that Apple is not the greatest tech company on Earth.

I have been saying the latter for some time, not because of some bad experience with Apple support, but because I saw how Apple fanatics behaved and expressed themselves (like a cult). I know from history (Nazis, Crusades) that fanaticism never leads to anything good. You have to think for yourself, how ever painful that may be, because it sets you apart from your peers. However, it is necessary if you care about facts and knowing how the world works.

DarthFurby · Post by **DarthFurby** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 12:00 pm

Vern we met last year and I don't know how anyone could say that to you without spontaneously combusting into flames. Maybe it was your choice in aftershave? It's important to use the right brand or something like this could happen.

heyvern · Post by **heyvern** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:59 pm

Thanks Darth!

It was people saying things like that that got me through that episode. It was a real shocker. I had bought new clothes, shaved, showered. I smelled fresh and clean and was on my best behavior.

-vern