I own "The Tab" and I am about to purchase Moho. Generally, I love Moho way more than the Tab, but I really need the pump and iron tools. The iron smooths a line. The pump adjust line width. Both work well with my pen-pad. I'd love to see these in Moho.
Thanks.
Iron and Pump Tools
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Maybe you can describe better. The Pump I think I get, and if you are looking for something like the Line Width tool, but that goes by proximity of the cursor to a point instead of the points already selected, I don't think that should be too hard. I'd like it too. But, never having used the Tab, how does it actually work in use? The current line width tool, you select some points and move the mouse left or right to change the width smaller or larger. How do you determine how the line size changes? The point which is within the sphere of influence of the tool only gets either larger or smaller depending on the setting? An Alt Key kinda thing to determine which direction? How would you like it to work?
The Iron the same thing? In some ways ( concept but maybe not actual programming) it seems like it would be easy, but as I understand things Moho probably uses a pretty different way of setting up the points in vectors. At least if you are drawing inside Moho. As it stands, anything you draw in Moho uses a default curvature value for each point. The Tab, as I understand it, hides these points from you. So you have a basic design difference. Within the way Moho already works, you would have to choose a sytem. Do you want the tool to alter the curvature of each point the tool gets near? or, conversely, simply remove extraneous points from a vector to smooth it out. Or a combination. When you are drawing in Moho, it's got a pretty comprehensible way of representing the curves that it's drawing. My impression of the way the Tab is set up leads me to think each vector has an awful lot of points and there's a whole bunch of math going on to figure out how the lines change. So for this one, It would be great if you could define exactly how it works. The Pump I could probably set up, but this one at least I might have a problem implementing in a way that would actually be useful.
It really all depends on how you need it to work. If you aren't really familiar with it, I would suggest you play with Moho more to really feel how it does currently work. The process is a bit different, so new tools (and I think they're both good ideas) might not work exactly as you're used to, but within the context of the existing tools, I think it's mostly tweaks. They're on my "to-do" list now. That's one of the things I really, really like about the new version. If I'm really motivated, I can rewrite to tools all I like to do what I want them to do
--Brian
The Iron the same thing? In some ways ( concept but maybe not actual programming) it seems like it would be easy, but as I understand things Moho probably uses a pretty different way of setting up the points in vectors. At least if you are drawing inside Moho. As it stands, anything you draw in Moho uses a default curvature value for each point. The Tab, as I understand it, hides these points from you. So you have a basic design difference. Within the way Moho already works, you would have to choose a sytem. Do you want the tool to alter the curvature of each point the tool gets near? or, conversely, simply remove extraneous points from a vector to smooth it out. Or a combination. When you are drawing in Moho, it's got a pretty comprehensible way of representing the curves that it's drawing. My impression of the way the Tab is set up leads me to think each vector has an awful lot of points and there's a whole bunch of math going on to figure out how the lines change. So for this one, It would be great if you could define exactly how it works. The Pump I could probably set up, but this one at least I might have a problem implementing in a way that would actually be useful.
It really all depends on how you need it to work. If you aren't really familiar with it, I would suggest you play with Moho more to really feel how it does currently work. The process is a bit different, so new tools (and I think they're both good ideas) might not work exactly as you're used to, but within the context of the existing tools, I think it's mostly tweaks. They're on my "to-do" list now. That's one of the things I really, really like about the new version. If I'm really motivated, I can rewrite to tools all I like to do what I want them to do
--Brian
I own the Tab aswell. To be honest, I never liked the iron tool, but used it because i had to, and i'm quite unexperienced with it. I prefer to use moho, as editing the lines, shape etc is all done by vector points, it feels like i have more control this way. So i say NO to the Iron tool. While the pump tool might have some uses.
--Scott
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More about the Tab Tools and the importance of Pump and Iron
The following is from a review of Tab. Personally, I think once you get spoiled by having the pump around, it is hard to live without. The iron is just a qicker way to straighten scanned images. If you draw directly in Moho all the time, you would not understand the purpose of such a tool. From the list below, I think their magnet and pinch tools are easily replaced by the Moho magnet with proper adjustment, but the overview could be helpful all the same...
The Tab contains several significant innovations that I enjoyed using... Notice some of the novel icons on the tool menu.
* At the top is the "Pinch" tool with which the user can manupulate points and lines as if they were physical objects on the desktop.
* Second is the "Pump" tool. By clicking and dragging you can inflate or deflate the width of an existing line.
* Next, the "Magnet" tool allows you to pull on an area of your drawing, dragging everything in its path, like those squishy SuperGoo tools.
* Below that, the "Bender." Two clicks with the bender establish an axis across the lines of your choice. Dragging then bends the lines on the axis in the direction of the drag. Bend fingers, elbows, knees or any element.
* If your drawing hand is shaky, the "Iron" tool will smooth the lines, reducing the number of control points and simplifying the line.
* At the bottom of this column is the "Tape" tool. Its job is to connect loose ends, usually so that the fill tool will operate on an area that wasn't completely closed when drawn.
The Tab contains several significant innovations that I enjoyed using... Notice some of the novel icons on the tool menu.
* At the top is the "Pinch" tool with which the user can manupulate points and lines as if they were physical objects on the desktop.
* Second is the "Pump" tool. By clicking and dragging you can inflate or deflate the width of an existing line.
* Next, the "Magnet" tool allows you to pull on an area of your drawing, dragging everything in its path, like those squishy SuperGoo tools.
* Below that, the "Bender." Two clicks with the bender establish an axis across the lines of your choice. Dragging then bends the lines on the axis in the direction of the drag. Bend fingers, elbows, knees or any element.
* If your drawing hand is shaky, the "Iron" tool will smooth the lines, reducing the number of control points and simplifying the line.
* At the bottom of this column is the "Tape" tool. Its job is to connect loose ends, usually so that the fill tool will operate on an area that wasn't completely closed when drawn.
"Maybe you can describe better. The Pump I think I get, and if you are looking for something like the Line Width tool, but that goes by proximity of the cursor to a point instead of the points already selected, I don't think that should be too hard. I'd like it too. But, never having used the Tab, how does it actually work in use? The current line width tool, you select some points and move the mouse left or right to change the width smaller or larger. How do you determine how the line size changes? The point which is within the sphere of influence of the tool only gets either larger or smaller depending on the setting? An Alt Key kinda thing to determine which direction? How would you like it to work? "
7Feet
The way it works in Tab is through a center-point anchor of sorts. In other words, the line gets fatter or thinner on both sides from a center line. Does that make sense?
Thanks,
Sherlock
7Feet
The way it works in Tab is through a center-point anchor of sorts. In other words, the line gets fatter or thinner on both sides from a center line. Does that make sense?
Thanks,
Sherlock