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vanessa
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Animation Advice please

Post by vanessa »

Hi i was wondering if you could help.

My daugther loves animation and is making an animation for youtube. I was looking into buying her some software which could make this easier for her. Can any of you tell me a good animation software and a software that could make the drawing a little easier.

She is 15 years old and quite good at computer software
and quite a wizz at making youtube videos. The software would have to allow her to place videos onto youtube.

Thanks
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Well, Anime Studio would do the job pretty well.

She can export the animation as a WEB Quicktime (320 x 160 pixels) with perhaps Sorenson Video 3 compression (to decrease the file size) and then Youtube accepts that pretty well.

Maybe download the Anime Studio demo, and as far as I know, it will export the animation, but with a watermark. When you're convinced the software is for you (it comes with easy-to-understand tutorials) you can buy the full version to export the animation without the watermark, and upload the video onto Youtube.

Good luck with your daughter's early animation career. ;)

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I agree with Mikdog - Anime Studio is a very good choice for a lot of 2D cartoon-style animation, and includes both animation and drawing tools (although there is some debate over the drawing tools - some love them, some don't), and enables both vector (line/curve-based) and cut-out image-based animation.
If you've got the budget, the Pro version has some very worthwhile extra features.

Have a look at the trial version.

Of course, most of us are biased here because we've settled on Anime Studio as at least one of the tools we use for animation, if not the only tool. There are some younger animators in the Anime Studio forum, as well as some grizzled seniors and many amateurs and professionals in between.

If you prefer to do frame-by-frame hand-drawn animation rather than Anime Studio's productive bones/switch/point animation style, there are some useful links here, although the page is somewhat out-of-date (it still has Anime Studio under its old name of Moho, it doesn't mention newer worthwhile software such as Pencil, CreaToon has gone abandonware/unsupported-freeware, there are new releases such as ToonBoom's expensive professional Solo software, and The TAB has released a Kids version which may be too juvenile for what you are looking for).

Note: if you prefer to investigate 3D character animation software, there are dozens more programs available (from Poser and iClone up to very expensive professional programs, and unexpected gems such as Hash Animation:Master), and there is also the field of stop-motion animation (some programs can be used with a cheap webcam).

As for uploading videos on to YouTube, I don't know of any animation software that allows that directly from the software itself but, as Mikdog has indicated, get the output right and you should be able to upload through a web browser from just about any animation software.

Note: Anime Studio only outputs single scenes easily and does not have a lot of audio handling features. If you decide on Anime Studio, it may well be worthwhile getting a video editing program (if you do not have one already) for stitching together different scenes and adding sound effects and background music, etc.

Regards, Myles.
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I use Win Movie Maker and Audiacity, both free.
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I've recently been researching for good freeware, or affordable shareware, animation software. These were for the forum of another animation program. I'll copy everything out here - be warned, this will be a LONG read ......
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TALES ANIMATOR. The current release of TA is strictly for 2D animation and in my opinion, that’s how it should remain. I’ve got and use TA3Beta, but only because it offers greater control for two-dimensional work. My personal opinion is that 3D is a mistake because what most people think of when it comes to 3D animation is the ability to create well-rounded simulations of worlds and characters and at present, there is no simple way to achieve this whilst also trying to create worlds in which moving three-dimensional characters act out a story. Control and creation of such elements can be very complex.
NOTE - Tales Animator is a SCRIPT-BASED program and works in a totally different way to all other animation software. Some like it. Some don't .... but don't underestimate it, I've created several good movies with it.
TIP - avoid the YouTube link on the website - recent users have posted unpleasant material.
http://www.dollysoft.com/index.htm
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EASYTOON is actually a gif animator, but works exactly like a traditional cel-type program, complete with onion-skinning. There are many impressive examples to be found. It only works in Black and White.

http://s13.invisionfree.com/The_Easytoo ... hp?act=idx
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp2WW4hWG0I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5LAXrpFHJM
http://www.stickpageportal.com/forums/f ... .php?f=116
http://www.stickpageportal.com/forums/f ... .php?f=109
http://www.pivot-place.org/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=19

Whilst surfing for Easytoon links (and in the hope of finding the Easytoon.hlp file which doesn't seem to exist with version 1.9.1), I came upon a link for version 1.9.5. The main difference seems to be that the interface is larger and with much clearer icons; you don't start with the requirement to define your frame dimensions; and the overall layout seems tidier. There's still no Help file, though - but at least there isn't a 'Contents' label anymore.

As far as I could see, there were very few active links for 1.9.5, but this one worked for me -

http://www.filenuke.com/file.php?get=Ea ... -Setup.exe

I found it by following a link from here -

http://z13.invisionfree.com/The_Easytoo ... getnewpost

As regards the lack of a Help file - I found two very good walk-through's of the interface at these URLs. The first features version 1.9.1, the other features 1.9.5

http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=52221

http://z13.invisionfree.com/The_Easytoo ... wtopic=139

Apparently, Easytoon is now into version 2+ in Japanese.

Having experimented with this program for 10 minutes or so, I've found it to be very good for quick experiments. The inbuilt simulation of 'blue-lining' to assist in developing movement and change is excellent and very clear.
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CREATOON was a commercial program that was widely used by professional studios. It has now been released as freeware along with a small separate download that needs to be used to unlock the program once it has been installed and run. Creatoon seems to have aroused a wide range of opinions – many liked it, many didn’t. Within Creatoon you mostly work with imported images and there are limited options for on-screen drawing. To quote from a FAQ: “… CreaToon is not aiming at the traditional animation market, where animators expect to paint their content directly within the software. In CreaToon, content has to be created separately (scanned in, or by using a paint program, ...), imported into CreaToon, and then animated within CreaToon. However, CreaToon does include basic curve drawing tools ("sketch objects") that allow you to draw vector graphics within the program itself….” The website has an excellent range of viewable or downloadable samples (many with associated artwork) and a selection of animated tutorials.
URL - http://www.creatoon.com/
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PLASTIC ANIMATION PAPER (PAP) is a commercial program for the on-screen creation of traditional ‘cel’ type animation – but there is a cut-down version that can be used free of charge. This has very limited capabilities but isn’t timebombed and doesn’t slap a watermark across your work. You can save anything you create. PAP is designed for use with a drawing tablet, but on-screen drawing is also viable. Main URL -
http://www.plasticanimationpaper.dk/

Compare capabilities of the three main versions here:
http://plasticanimationpaper.dk/editioncomparison4.asp
When you download the current version (4.0) and start it, you get the option to use it in registered or free mode. The only nag screen you get which asks if you want to buy, comes when you exit. This isn’t annoying and is a small price to pay – pun intended.
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LIVESWIF is for the free creation of FLASH movies. (Dr_Jim put me onto this link). The software is free but is no longer being supported. The download URL is -
http://www.liveswif.net/
but I also found these associated and useful links -
http://www.liveswifers.org/
http://www.girland.com/swfupload/manual_furniture.asp
http://www.girland.com/swfupload/LiveSwifTutorial.doc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkobFTVnRCg
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SCRATCH is a unique method for programming using ‘blocks’ which lock together rather like Lego pieces. Scratch is mostly used for creating interactive games but some have tried using it for animating stories. In this respect it isn’t all that effective and there is no facility to draw scenes on-screen. Scratch is designed for (and mostly used by) young people but there is growing evidence that more experienced users are experimenting with it. There is a VERY active forum As I said though – this isn’t really designed for animation. URL -
http://scratch.mit.edu/
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PIVOT is for the easy creation and animation of stick figures. It has been around for some time and is very popular – despite it’s limitations. There are many good examples to download (though most feature fighting and bloodshed). It can be downloaded from many host sites, but here’s the homepage URL –
http://www.geocities.com/peter_bone_uk/
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SKELETON is best thought of as a slightly more realistic version of Pivot – although I don’t think it’s being used for animating stories. URL -
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia ... eton.shtml
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AIKIDO is designed to animate one or two robot-like characters as a way of modelling martial arts movements – but I found it to be VERY useful for creating and testing walk-cycles. Not all that quick, easy or intuitive to use at first but you can save your work as a movie or as a sequence of images. Homepage URL (scan down the page) -
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepage ... b00014.htm
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BENETON MOVIE GIF Yes, I know, it’s a gif-creator, but it’s more versatile and useable than most and makes for very easy on-screen drawing of separate images. Creations can also be downloaded in a range of formats – including a sequence of separate images. One word of warning – although it is available from many sites, most take you to a homepage which tries to entice you to follow unwanted commercial links. The download website I used was at
http://www.snapfiles.com/get/benetonmovie.html
I think this one is also clear of the link-pages:
http://www.download.com/Beneton-Movie-G ... 46551.html

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ANIME STUDIO, of course, is (unfortunately) NOT freeware - but it isn't particular expensive to register (I think it's about £25 UK) and it can be tried for 30 days with only a few restrictions. It ISN'T especially intuitive once you get beyond absolute basics but it functions like a professional cel-type animation program and performs superb 'in-betweening' automatically if you want it to. Anyone who has tried PAP (Plastic Animation Paper) might find it useful to run a comparison although the most basic (and very restricted) version of PAP is, of course, totally free.

http://www.e-frontier.com/article/artic … 5?sbss=795

One additional feature of AS is the 'bone' option which allows you to create and articulate characters by building a sort of 'skeleton'. This is done as a series of reference points rather than as a physical simulation of a skeleton.

http://www.e-frontier.com/article/artic … 282/1/812/

One of the other tutorials also suggests that images of a figure can be disassembled and then re-assembled around such a framework. I haven't tried this as yet, but it looks very unusual.

http://www.e-frontier.com/article/artic … 306/1/812/
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I'm endlessly surprised by the fact that no matter how many Google searches I run looking for interesting animation software or resource sites, there always seem to be programs which hide under the radar.

ARTOONIX is very affordable shareware ($20 US, just under £11 UK). It's a simple animation program using fairly traditional methods. The Help files are excellent. The link is for a tutorial, but from that page you can access a link to the download page. Ideal for younger users.

http://www.artoonix.com/en/tutorials.html
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However, if 3D is your area of interest – look at these

ANIM8OR is a free way to find all that out for yourself. It has been around for many years and is still being developed. It is totally free and is well supported with tutorials and a forum. It is mostly for the creation and rendering of 3D objects but it looks to be moving in the direction where 3D movies are becoming more possible. URL -
http://www.anim8or.com/main/index.html
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ALICE …. I’ve never used this, but to quote from a FAQ – “…Alice is a modern programming environment designed to be a student's first exposure to object-oriented programming. It allows students to learn basic computer science while creating animated movies, simple video games, where students control the behavior of 3D objects and characters in a virtual world. …” URL -
http://alice.org/
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GOOGLE SKETCHUP isn’t for animating stories, but for the easy creation of 3D models. These can be saved as movies (eg: ‘flying’ around a house or a figure) and I have succeeded in using one of these movies as an avi within Tales Animator. There is a good range of textures and examples to download – but remember that this software is NOT for animating storylines. URL:
http://www.sketchup.com/
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WINDOWS MOVIE MAKER Dear old Bill Gates’ offering for PC’s URL -
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/down ... aker2.mspx

This is really for making home-movies, but as you can import images (2D or 3D), you might also be able to use it for animation (I’ve never tried). Wikipedia has some detailed notes -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Movie_Maker

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There are several sites containing tutorials about animation - these are usually associated with specific (and usually commercial) software - but they often have value as a way of gaining insights into the skills of animation.

http://www.bauhaussoftware.com/training_tutorials.php
http://www.cartoonster.com/
http://www.idleworm.com/how/index.shtml
http://www.webmonkey.com/multimedia/ani ... rial1.html
http://www.animationlibrary.com/tutorial/
http://minyos.its.rmit.edu.au/~rpyjp/a_ ... oject.html
http://minyos.its.rmit.edu.au/~rpyjp/a_ ... oject.html
http://minyos.its.rmit.edu.au/~rpyjp/a_ ... ce_01.html
http://minyos.its.rmit.edu.au/~rpyjp/a_ ... ce_02.html
http://minyos.its.rmit.edu.au/~rpyjp/a_ ... ce_03.html
http://animation.about.com/od/flashanim ... lkcycl.htm
http://www.newtek.com/products/lightwav ... index.html

And for this one you'll need Quicktime player installed -
http://www.brianlemay.com/animationexam ... index.html
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And that's more than enough for now.
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Post by JimmyC »

A very comprehensive list! Thanks for sharing it. I have put it into EverNote, which is also free, and an excellent way of keeping notes directly from the web via your browser.

AS is a great piece of software, and there are some really talented and clever people on this list who keep coming up with great ideas for it's use. It also uses the scripting language Lua, and there are many examples throughout the Forum.

Best Wishes
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Post by Mohlar »

JimmyC wrote:A very comprehensive list! Thanks for sharing it. I have put it into EverNote
Glad the post looks useful.

It really is amazing what software is out there for free or for very small amounts of money. I hope others find that list of interesting examples to be a help for them - but you are right. AS is certainly a VERY powerful animation program. At the moment, I'm about to run a comparison between AS, Creatoon and Artoonix to see which one suits my own needs. I'll be planning a simple storyline and trying the same thing with each program. I'm not aiming to end up with a finished film, but to see how far I can get with each one in a week. That should help me decide. One thing about all three is that they have very good tutorials and/or Help pages.
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