GreyKid Style

superanimatrix · Post by **superanimatrix** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:50 pm

Patmals wrote:i guess the logo is done in combustion or a video tool which has cool video effects.

but try and read about animation workflows. how to set up a scene and planning etc.
all the candy should come last post production stuff.

Great advice. Thanks

heyvern · Post by **heyvern** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:17 pm

it has that flash look.

What is the "flash look" exactly?

I've seen as many different animation styles done with "flash" as any other medium. I've seen all kinds of styles achieved using AS or any other 2D animation software.

South Park uses high end 3D software... not even 2D. They render the "cut out paper" effect in 3D.

I guess my point is to not limit your options or expect more from a program than it can deliver.

I still insist any "look" GreyKid achieves has absolutely NOTHING to do with AS... if it did we would all be creating stuff as good as they do.

As for what they use to draw with... apparently they start with a pencil.

What you do after that is up to you. Tracing it in AS would be my preference.

-vern

superanimatrix · Post by **superanimatrix** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:37 pm

heyvern wrote:
it has that flash look.
What is the "flash look" exactly?

I've seen as many different animation styles done with "flash" as any other medium. I've seen all kinds of styles achieved using AS or any other 2D animation software.

South Park uses high end 3D software... not even 2D. They render the "cut out paper" effect in 3D.

I guess my point is to not limit your options or expect more from a program than it can deliver.

I still insist any "look" GreyKid achieves has absolutely NOTHING to do with AS... if it did we would all be creating stuff as good as they do.

As for what they use to draw with... apparently they start with a pencil.

What you do after that is up to you. Tracing it in AS would be my preference.

-vern

When I say the flash look I mean the gradiants. So do you think they do all of thier coloring in ASPRO?

heyvern · Post by **heyvern** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:48 am

When I say the flash look I mean the gradiants. So do you think they do all of thier coloring in ASPRO?

If you are talking about subtle gradient fills on the characters to produce "shading" I would expect that is done in AS. Gradient shading is not a specific "Flash look" or "technique". Any animation application capable of gradients can produce that effect.

As far as I know they do the final drawing in AS. I don't really know for sure. They probably do other things in other applications during final compositing and editing... hard to say if they do EVERYTHING in AS but it would make sense that as much as possible is done there first to streamline the production.

If you read the "how to" closely they use pencil and paper to do TIGHT character designs and storyboards. Basically "tracing" scans of final approved characters in AS. At that point nearly any application could be used to produce the final product. They could even do traditional hand drawn cell animation.

-vern

superanimatrix · Post by **superanimatrix** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:11 am

heyvern wrote:
When I say the flash look I mean the gradiants. So do you think they do all of thier coloring in ASPRO?
If you are talking about subtle gradient fills on the characters to produce "shading" I would expect that is done in AS. Gradient shading is not a specific "Flash look" or "technique". Any animation application capable of gradients can produce that effect.

As far as I know they do the final drawing in AS. I don't really know for sure. They probably do other things in other applications during final compositing and editing... hard to say if they do EVERYTHING in AS but it would make sense that as much as possible is done there first to streamline the production.

If you read the "how to" closely they use pencil and paper to do TIGHT character designs and storyboards. Basically "tracing" scans of final approved characters in AS. At that point nearly any application could be used to produce the final product. They could even do traditional hand drawn cell animation.

-vern

Great to know that gradients are in AS. Thanks for your help. My ASPRO just got here and I'm bout to play around with it

marcotronic · Post by **marcotronic** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:27 am

superanimatrix wrote:What about in the beginning of there animaion (their logo)? What software do they use to get that effect with the streams of light and stuff like that? is it Particle Illusion?

Hi,

this looks a lot like Trapcode´s Shine-Plugin.

http://www.trapcode.com/products_shine.html

I use it now and then in After Effects - and it´s exactly that look...
(the more recent After Effects versions have a similar effect already integrated... I use After Effects Pro 7 - there you have something similar at least, but the Shine-Plugin has some more options - I love this plugin, but the effect is somewhat overused in today´s motiongraphics for my personal taste...)

Marco

superanimatrix · Post by **superanimatrix** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:50 am

marcotronic wrote:
superanimatrix wrote:What about in the beginning of there animaion (their logo)? What software do they use to get that effect with the streams of light and stuff like that? is it Particle Illusion?
Hi,

this looks a lot like Trapcode´s Shine-Plugin.

http://www.trapcode.com/products_shine.html

I use it now and then in After Effects - and it´s exactly that look...
(the more recent After Effects versions have a similar effect already integrated... I use After Effects Pro 7 - there you have something similar at least, but the Shine-Plugin has some more options - I love this plugin, but the effect is somewhat overused in today´s motiongraphics for my personal taste...)

Marco

What do you think about particle illusion?

marcotronic · Post by **marcotronic** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:24 pm

superanimatrix wrote:What do you think about particle illusion?

Well, I used it quite a while ago when it was version 1 or 2. Personally, I think that it is quite a bit overpriced ($389 USD for the download version 3.0...) (or an SE version for $99 USD) Just for some particle effects... I would spend my money on tools which are more versatile. It´s really a question of how often you would use particle effects in your animations. And don´t forget you have some nice particle effects just built in in ASPro...

Marco

superanimatrix · Post by **superanimatrix** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:23 pm

marcotronic wrote:
superanimatrix wrote:What do you think about particle illusion?
Well, I used it quite a while ago when it was version 1 or 2. Personally, I think that it is quite a bit overpriced ($389 USD for the download version 3.0...) (or an SE version for $99 USD) Just for some particle effects... I would spend my money on tools which are more versatile. It´s really a question of how often you would use particle effects in your animations. And don´t forget you have some nice particle effects just built in in ASPro...

Marco

Thanks for the advice. I did not know ASP has the particle effects, thnaks for pointing that out to me. I'll keep you updated on how everything is going with ASP

AmigaMan · Post by **AmigaMan** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 11:32 am

FXHome produce several low cost (compared to After Effects ectc) compositing and effects software packages.

http://fxhome.com/

It's certainly more than capable of creating all the effects you mention, including the 'gleam filter' for those lighting effects for titles etc.

superanimatrix · Post by **superanimatrix** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:05 pm

AmigaMan wrote:FXHome produce several low cost (compared to After Effects ectc) compositing and effects software packages.

http://fxhome.com/

It's certainly more than capable of creating all the effects you mention, including the 'gleam filter' for those lighting effects for titles etc.

Cool. Thanks man!

heyvern · Post by **heyvern** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 8:42 pm

I've always wanted to buy my own "green screen". Turns out they aren't that expensive:
Gree screen stuff at TubeTape.com

I want that green suit man! I could wear that to commit crimes and no one would see me! Well... after I photoshopped all the security footage of course.

$50 for a can of green paint! I could paint my whole basement in green screen for a few hundred bucks.

-vern

superanimatrix · Post by **superanimatrix** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 9:12 pm

heyvern wrote:I've always wanted to buy my own "green screen". Turns out they aren't that expensive:
Gree screen stuff at TubeTape.com

I want that green suit man! I could wear that to commit crimes and no one would see me! Well... after I photoshopped all the security footage of course.

$50 for a can of green paint! I could paint my whole basement in green screen for a few hundred bucks.

-vern

yeah we could do alot with that green screen lol. Thanks for the link Vern!

Touched · Post by **Touched** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 10:35 pm

Yeah, it's the lights that cost the most money in a green screen setup -- the green has to be well-illuminated, or it'll be hard to key out. I worked at a media house once and I was given the most ineptly-produced footage to blue screen into a 3D background. The blue was poorly illuminated, resulting in me having to do a lot of manual masking to fix it, plus the camera was handheld and there were no reference marks on the backdrop to correct for that, so the 3D background didn't match up, PLUS one of the actors was wearing a blue shirt. I couldn't do anything with it. Someone else handled it, and decided to ignore invisible-chest-man and the shaky footage.