Toonz 5.1

[clay82es]

Amazing

Toonz Bravo and Harlequin

[heyvern]

NO PRICE LISTED!!?!?!!

It will probably cost more than my car!

When even the seller is afraid of the price it makes me nervous.

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I googled it and found out the price can be anywhere from $2000 to $11,000 depending on the modules you want.

Good grief... I could buy a NEW car for that... that costs more than a new computer... uh... more than 3 new computers... or high end 3D software.

-vern

[ulrik]

I downloaded the demo and it freeze every 5 minutes...sort of, so I haven't had a chance to try it out yet.
I'm on mac osx 10.4.9 on a dual ppc g4 1.3 ghz with 1.25 gb ram

[Patmals]

I think i was quoted US$2999 earlier last year.. i will check my email and verify.

The demo of bravo is quite good. its quite functional but you cannot save your work, just render whatever you have done with a watermark. i think they are the main limitations.

[heyvern]

$3000....

I would expect it to make me coffee in the morning and go fetch the newspaper for that price.

I guess it is like buying $200 tennis shoes. You only buy them BECAUSE they cost so much... not because they are "better".



-vern

[Patmals]

Heyvern,

I couldn't find the replied email. I must have deleted it
Sorry man.

But it was definately between the $2000-$3000 mark.

[Manu]

I don't understand this cost argument people immediately bring on. If you make money from your animations, you'll earn it back in no time.

Even if Toonz has only one or two advantages over AS, it could justify the price depending on your circumstances.

I noticed in he feature list that they have a few tools for project-management. I haven't tried them, so I don't know what they're like. But on a bigger production, features like that can make all the difference.

[toonertime]

I agree that if software is useful and
especially if it saves you time,
which is my precious commodity,
it is probably worth its price.

I am thinking of ToonBoom,
which is about 300, but seems
to have a lot of features such
as automatic shadowing, which
would make it worth it. It also
doesn't have the pathetic lack of
learning materials which to me is the weak point
in Anime Studio.

[Manu]

BTW am I right in assuming there's no demo for Harlequin?

[heyvern]

My complaint is more to do with HOW they price it.

When they put a "Request a Quote" link that means they are pricing differently for different people. If you make more money than me should you pay more for the same product?

A quote? Are they custom building it by hand to fit my kitchen? Maybe it comes in different colors with wood inlay or the option for gold printing and embossing on the box.

AS costs $50. ASP costs $199. A link for a $3000+ animation program here is going to raise some questions. People here bought AS as much for what the program can do as for the low price.

I'm not stupid. I don't expect $3000 features from $200 software. If you want $3000 support and features buy the other program.

-vern

[byanfu]

I guess their way of thinking is to give discounts for bulk and preferred high-profile studios. I don't like that way of selling software either. Plus I can't see how it would be worth that much money, but maybe for large studios its worth it.

[Patmals]

Toonz is aimed for studios more than individuals.

They are open about the price of their 'consumer' products like The TAB.

I think they also require you to ask because depending on your studio, they would offer different prices - eg. seats, etc.

[Manu]

If you look at the budget for some television series out there, all his talk about price sounds pretty petty. Toonz is not too expensive for a normal television series. Toonz would go out of business if they were.
It's always interesting to hear about other products, no need to always react with a AS-fanboy putdown.